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Post by dragonfan on Jul 27, 2013 9:37:08 GMT -8
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ShinyHappyGoth
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Post by ShinyHappyGoth on Jul 28, 2013 6:08:15 GMT -8
My two cents: Please, please, do NOT give us Night Furies. Has no one here even watched the season finale of Riders? There's a whole big thing on how they haven't found any other Night Furies. If that changes in Defenders, by all means, go for it (I mean, there's gotta be more somewhere), but until then, don't devalue the Night Fury. Just have some more stuff about them, or a quest related to them, or heck, let us borrow Toothless some more. Do what you gotta do, but don't flat-out contradict canon in such a major way. (In fact, when you add whatever Night Fury-related content you do, I'd advise specifically mentioning the point that Toothless is the only known Night Fury, to quiet people down.) If you must make Night Furies available as a player dragon, at least come up with a really, really good excuse.
Also, regarding the Strike/Mystery debate: It is true that Mystery Class was the last class Hiccup named out loud before flipping through the dragon listings, but that does not necessarily mean that that was the first or only chapter he looked through. I mean, it clearly wasn't; he started with the Thunderdrum, which is Tidal Class, and proceeded to list a wide assortment of others. I say he was just talking to himself while looking at the table of contents, and it has no particular bearing on what follows. (Anyway, Mystery Class doesn't mean a dragon is mysterious, i.e. nothing is known about it, it means the dragon is really freaking weird and doesn't fall properly into any other class. The Night Fury has exceptional abilities but not strange ones, and what little was already known about it would have placed it firmly in Strike Class.)
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Post by dragonmaster on Jul 28, 2013 6:16:49 GMT -8
My two cents: Please, please, do NOT give us Night Furies. Has no one here even watched the season finale of Riders? There's a whole big thing on how they haven't found any other Night Furies. If that changes in Defenders, by all means, go for it (I mean, there's gotta be more somewhere), but until then, don't devalue the Night Fury. Just have some more stuff about them, or a quest related to them, or heck, let us borrow Toothless some more. Do what you gotta do, but don't flat-out contradict canon in such a major way. (In fact, when you add whatever Night Fury-related content you do, I'd advise specifically mentioning the point that Toothless is the only known Night Fury, to quiet people down.) If you must make Night Furies available as a player dragon, at least come up with a really, really good excuse. Also, regarding the Strike/Mystery debate: It is true that Mystery Class was the last class Hiccup named out loud before flipping through the dragon listings, but that does not necessarily mean that that was the first or only chapter he looked through. I mean, it clearly wasn't; he started with the Thunderdrum, which is Tidal Class, and proceeded to list a wide assortment of others. I say he was just talking to himself while looking at the table of contents, and it has no particular bearing on what follows. (Anyway, Mystery Class doesn't mean a dragon is mysterious, i.e. nothing is known about it, it means the dragon is really freaking weird and doesn't fall properly into any other class. The Night Fury has exceptional abilities but not strange ones, and what little was already known about it would have placed it firmly in Strike Class.) We know that they are extremely rare. However, the fact still remains that everyone (or mostly everyone in this case) wants their own nightfury to fly. That's why we've been suggesting that people get nightfuries in hard ways. That way, they still stay semi-rare and people get one when they can. You can't tell me you 100% don't want a nightfury. After all you ARE here. So because they're so rare, we're thinking of a compromise a nd ours was to obtain them at high levels. Also why do they need a really good excuse to implement nightfuries? People have been asking for them so no excuse is needed. Ask and ye shall receive (hopefully) |
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Post by ShinyHappyGoth on Jul 28, 2013 6:30:41 GMT -8
My two cents: Please, please, do NOT give us Night Furies. Has no one here even watched the season finale of Riders? There's a whole big thing on how they haven't found any other Night Furies. If that changes in Defenders, by all means, go for it (I mean, there's gotta be more somewhere), but until then, don't devalue the Night Fury. Just have some more stuff about them, or a quest related to them, or heck, let us borrow Toothless some more. Do what you gotta do, but don't flat-out contradict canon in such a major way. (In fact, when you add whatever Night Fury-related content you do, I'd advise specifically mentioning the point that Toothless is the only known Night Fury, to quiet people down.) If you must make Night Furies available as a player dragon, at least come up with a really, really good excuse. Also, regarding the Strike/Mystery debate: It is true that Mystery Class was the last class Hiccup named out loud before flipping through the dragon listings, but that does not necessarily mean that that was the first or only chapter he looked through. I mean, it clearly wasn't; he started with the Thunderdrum, which is Tidal Class, and proceeded to list a wide assortment of others. I say he was just talking to himself while looking at the table of contents, and it has no particular bearing on what follows. (Anyway, Mystery Class doesn't mean a dragon is mysterious, i.e. nothing is known about it, it means the dragon is really freaking weird and doesn't fall properly into any other class. The Night Fury has exceptional abilities but not strange ones, and what little was already known about it would have placed it firmly in Strike Class.) We know that they are extremely rare. However, the fact still remains that everyone (or mostly everyone in this case) wants their own nightfury to fly. That's why we've been suggesting that people get nightfuries in hard ways. That way, they still stay semi-rare and people get one when they can. You can't tell me you 100% don't want a nightfury. After all you ARE here. So because they're so rare, we're thinking of a compromise a nd ours was to obtain them at high levels. Also why do they need a really good excuse to implement nightfuries? People have been asking for them so no excuse is needed. Ask and ye shall receive (hopefully)I don't particularly want or need one, no. I'm here to participate in the story. And as one who values the story, I think that it would at least be more fun if there is a story-type explanation for the finding/obtaining of the Night Furies. That's what I mean by an excuse. The reason is because players have been asking; the excuse is the in-game rationale. Tell us the circumstances of the discovery of more Night Furies, or better yet, have us discover them. It'd be far more satisfying than "Hey, here you go, everybody, Night Furies all around!" or even "Congratulations, you have reached Level N, here is your complimentary Night Fury." Do it properly. |
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Post by dragonmaster on Jul 28, 2013 6:44:43 GMT -8
We know that they are extremely rare. However, the fact still remains that everyone (or mostly everyone in this case) wants their own nightfury to fly. That's why we've been suggesting that people get nightfuries in hard ways. That way, they still stay semi-rare and people get one when they can. You can't tell me you 100% don't want a nightfury. After all you ARE here. So because they're so rare, we're thinking of a compromise a nd ours was to obtain them at high levels. Also why do they need a really good excuse to implement nightfuries? People have been asking for them so no excuse is needed. Ask and ye shall receive (hopefully)I don't particularly want or need one, no. I'm here to participate in the story. And as one who values the story, I think that it would at least be more fun if there is a story-type explanation for the finding/obtaining of the Night Furies. That's what I mean by an excuse. The reason is because players have been asking; the excuse is the in-game rationale. Tell us the circumstances of the discovery of more Night Furies, or better yet, have us discover them. It'd be far more satisfying than "Hey, here you go, everybody, Night Furies all around!" or even "Congratulations, you have reached Level N, here is your complimentary Night Fury." Do it properly. Ah ok. Yes well the excuse could be like in part 1 of season finale. They were rummaging around when they found notes. The notes said there was another island/place that was populated with nightfuries. Our job was to find it but with no help. Then once we got there we could start the taming quest to tame one. This would be tricky as you'd have to pass 5 tests (feeding, petting, flying, training, and shooting) then once you passed them, the nightfury would accept you and voila. In no way did I expect for them to GIVE us a nightfury. I was expecting a quest where it would be possible to obtain one. I am sorry for the misunderstanding as I didn't think you meant story when you said excuse. But yes, I expect them to somehow tie it into the story. Btw the rest of the thread isn't saying give us this give us that. It's saying please implement this or that so that certain dragons are obtainable. |
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Post by ShinyHappyGoth on Jul 28, 2013 7:07:12 GMT -8
I don't particularly want or need one, no. I'm here to participate in the story. And as one who values the story, I think that it would at least be more fun if there is a story-type explanation for the finding/obtaining of the Night Furies. That's what I mean by an excuse. The reason is because players have been asking; the excuse is the in-game rationale. Tell us the circumstances of the discovery of more Night Furies, or better yet, have us discover them. It'd be far more satisfying than "Hey, here you go, everybody, Night Furies all around!" or even "Congratulations, you have reached Level N, here is your complimentary Night Fury." Do it properly. Ah ok. Yes well the excuse could be like in part 1 of season finale. They were rummaging around when they found notes. The notes said there was another island/place that was populated with nightfuries. Our job was to find it but with no help. Then once we got there we could start the taming quest to tame one. This would be tricky as you'd have to pass 5 tests (feeding, petting, flying, training, and shooting) then once you passed them, the nightfury would accept you and voila. In no way did I expect for them to GIVE us a nightfury. I was expecting a quest where it would be possible to obtain one. I am sorry for the misunderstanding as I didn't think you meant story when you said excuse. But yes, I expect them to somehow tie it into the story. Btw the rest of the thread isn't saying give us this give us that. It's saying please implement this or that so that certain dragons are obtainable. I'm personally still inclined to think that making Night Furies available is a mistake, but I know that's a losing battle, and tying it into the story properly is the best under the circumstances. Though I wouldn't just copy the events of the finale. That was a ruse, after all. New quest. Maybe exploring and finding a new island altogether, rather than following notes. The other problem, though, is that they have already clearly stated that it's one dragon per Viking (unless they implement secondary dragons like Terrible Terrors, but that's a different thread entirely). There's the whole bonding thing. So you can't just add a Night Fury to your roster once you've earned it, and you certainly can't replace your old dragon, that would just be wrong. Best I can think of, the quest would result in you retrieving an egg or hatchling and giving it to a friend who does not yet have a dragon. This could be an actual friend, but most likely it would be your own next Viking slot. |
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Post by dragonmaster on Jul 28, 2013 7:11:28 GMT -8
Ah ok. Yes well the excuse could be like in part 1 of season finale. They were rummaging around when they found notes. The notes said there was another island/place that was populated with nightfuries. Our job was to find it but with no help. Then once we got there we could start the taming quest to tame one. This would be tricky as you'd have to pass 5 tests (feeding, petting, flying, training, and shooting) then once you passed them, the nightfury would accept you and voila. In no way did I expect for them to GIVE us a nightfury. I was expecting a quest where it would be possible to obtain one. I am sorry for the misunderstanding as I didn't think you meant story when you said excuse. But yes, I expect them to somehow tie it into the story. Btw the rest of the thread isn't saying give us this give us that. It's saying please implement this or that so that certain dragons are obtainable. I'm personally still inclined to think that making Night Furies available is a mistake, but I know that's a losing battle, and tying it into the story properly is the best under the circumstances. Though I wouldn't just copy the events of the finale. That was a ruse, after all. New quest. Maybe exploring and finding a new island altogether, rather than following notes. The other problem, though, is that they have already clearly stated that it's one dragon per Viking (unless they implement secondary dragons like Terrible Terrors, but that's a different thread entirely). There's the whole bonding thing. So you can't just add a Night Fury to your roster once you've earned it, and you certainly can't replace your old dragon, that would just be wrong. Best I can think of, the quest would result in you retrieving an egg or hatchling and giving it to a friend who does not yet have a dragon. This could be an actual friend, but most likely it would be your own next Viking slot. Hmmm......you do make a good point. Perhaps along with the houses they will implement they can have a dragon storage to a max of 3 dragons (terrible terror, nightfury, and your current dragon) Then you could just leave 1 at home to do his own business while you take another dragon out to do stuff with. But I'm convinced they'll somehow find a way to make this work |
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Post by ShinyHappyGoth on Jul 28, 2013 7:17:27 GMT -8
I'm personally still inclined to think that making Night Furies available is a mistake, but I know that's a losing battle, and tying it into the story properly is the best under the circumstances. Though I wouldn't just copy the events of the finale. That was a ruse, after all. New quest. Maybe exploring and finding a new island altogether, rather than following notes. The other problem, though, is that they have already clearly stated that it's one dragon per Viking (unless they implement secondary dragons like Terrible Terrors, but that's a different thread entirely). There's the whole bonding thing. So you can't just add a Night Fury to your roster once you've earned it, and you certainly can't replace your old dragon, that would just be wrong. Best I can think of, the quest would result in you retrieving an egg or hatchling and giving it to a friend who does not yet have a dragon. This could be an actual friend, but most likely it would be your own next Viking slot. Hmmm......you do make a good point. Perhaps along with the houses they will implement they can have a dragon storage to a max of 3 dragons (terrible terror, nightfury, and your current dragon) Then you could just leave 1 at home to do his own business while you take another dragon out to do stuff with. But I'm convinced they'll somehow find a way to make this work Ah, but we do not want our dragons to get jealous!  Not saying that couldn't work, but if you did have multiple dragons, then it would have to be a balancing act where if you used one dragon too much, the other one's happiness would drop, or else you'd have to do additional stuff to help them bond with each other. |
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Post by Skips on Jul 28, 2013 7:32:09 GMT -8
I'm personally still inclined to think that making Night Furies available is a mistake, but I know that's a losing battle, and tying it into the story properly is the best under the circumstances. Though I wouldn't just copy the events of the finale. That was a ruse, after all. New quest. Maybe exploring and finding a new island altogether, rather than following notes. The other problem, though, is that they have already clearly stated that it's one dragon per Viking (unless they implement secondary dragons like Terrible Terrors, but that's a different thread entirely). There's the whole bonding thing. So you can't just add a Night Fury to your roster once you've earned it, and you certainly can't replace your old dragon, that would just be wrong. Best I can think of, the quest would result in you retrieving an egg or hatchling and giving it to a friend who does not yet have a dragon. This could be an actual friend, but most likely it would be your own next Viking slot. Hmmm......you do make a good point. Perhaps along with the houses they will implement they can have a dragon storage to a max of 3 dragons (terrible terror, nightfury, and your current dragon) Then you could just leave 1 at home to do his own business while you take another dragon out to do stuff with. But I'm convinced they'll somehow find a way to make this work The problem I see with making Night Furies available in any way is that there will always be people seeing those Night Furies and going "Night Fury? That's a Night Fury! I want a Night Fury! I see Night Fury! How did they get that Night Fury? That's not fair! How do I get a Night Fury? Night Fury! Admin, I want a Night Fury! Why do they get a Night Fury? Can't you make Night Furies easier to get? Night Furies! But wait, isn't Toothless meant to be the only Night Fury? Why are there Night Furies at all? I don't want a Night Fury! Why don't you think we should have Night Furies? Why can't we all get a Night Fury?"
Etcetera, etcetera.
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Post by ShinyHappyGoth on Jul 28, 2013 7:35:03 GMT -8
Hmmm......you do make a good point. Perhaps along with the houses they will implement they can have a dragon storage to a max of 3 dragons (terrible terror, nightfury, and your current dragon) Then you could just leave 1 at home to do his own business while you take another dragon out to do stuff with. But I'm convinced they'll somehow find a way to make this work The problem I see with making Night Furies available in any way is that there will always be people seeing those Night Furies and going "Night Fury? That's a Night Fury! I want a Night Fury! How did they get that Night Fury? That's not fair! How do I get a Night Fury? Night Fury! Admin, I want a Night Fury! Why do they get a Night Fury? Can't you make Night Furies easier to get? Night Furies! But wait, isn't Toothless meant to be the only Night Fury? Why are there Night Furies at all? I don't want a Night Fury! Why don't you think we should have Night Furies?"
Etcetera, etcetera.
Yeah, that's kinda the other thing. Not allowing anyone Night Furies is, at least, the simplest and fairest thing. And, like I said, there's no reason there couldn't be Night Fury-related content. |
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Post by Skips on Jul 28, 2013 7:37:17 GMT -8
The problem I see with making Night Furies available in any way is that there will always be people seeing those Night Furies and going "Night Fury? That's a Night Fury! I want a Night Fury! How did they get that Night Fury? That's not fair! How do I get a Night Fury? Night Fury! Admin, I want a Night Fury! Why do they get a Night Fury? Can't you make Night Furies easier to get? Night Furies! But wait, isn't Toothless meant to be the only Night Fury? Why are there Night Furies at all? I don't want a Night Fury! Why don't you think we should have Night Furies?"
Etcetera, etcetera.
Yeah, that's kinda the other thing. :) Not allowing anyone Night Furies is, at least, the simplest and fairest thing. And, like I said, there's no reason there couldn't be Night Fury-related content. Exactly ouo I mean, that's just my opinion on all this. |
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Post by terastas on Jul 28, 2013 8:25:02 GMT -8
I'm all for giving Toothless an expanded, more interactive role, if only because a decent amount of the work is already done (he is ridden in the first "taxi" flight and appears in the first lab experiment), but I draw the line at making Night Fury a selectable breed.
At least not right at the beginning. If the game gradually allowed you to start training more dragons, including some not originally available, and the night fury was treated as the ultimate reward right at the end of an extra-long-haul of a story mode, I'd be alright with that. Otherwise, I say leave them off.
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Post by Guest on Jul 30, 2013 9:57:10 GMT -8
I definitely think they should add nightfurys. They should do something like: "Congrats! You have reached level [insert high level]! You now have the option to create a new viking for free and hatch a nightfury!" Or, when you reach the set level, you go on a quest with Hiccup and Toothless to find the "only" nightfury egg in the game, possibly the offspring of Toothless himself, and the reward is a free viking slot and the option to hatch the egg. Either way, the nightfury is restricted to senior players with a passion for the game. However, making it a member-only dragon or gem-dragon would not be fair to those whose parents will not let them spend money on online memberships and things like that.
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Post by Guest on Jul 30, 2013 10:31:27 GMT -8
We know that they are extremely rare. However, the fact still remains that everyone (or mostly everyone in this case) wants their own nightfury to fly. That's why we've been suggesting that people get nightfuries in hard ways. That way, they still stay semi-rare and people get one when they can. You can't tell me you 100% don't want a nightfury. After all you ARE here. So because they're so rare, we're thinking of a compromise a nd ours was to obtain them at high levels. Also why do they need a really good excuse to implement nightfuries? People have been asking for them so no excuse is needed. Ask and ye shall receive (hopefully)I don't particularly want or need one, no. I'm here to participate in the story. And as one who values the story, I think that it would at least be more fun if there is a story-type explanation for the finding/obtaining of the Night Furies. That's what I mean by an excuse. The reason is because players have been asking; the excuse is the in-game rationale. Tell us the circumstances of the discovery of more Night Furies, or better yet, have us discover them. It'd be far more satisfying than "Hey, here you go, everybody, Night Furies all around!" or even "Congratulations, you have reached Level N, here is your complimentary Night Fury." Do it properly. Like I just said, they could introduce a quest where you find the "only" nightfury egg left. The quest would be optional, received from Hiccup, and only obtainable at a ridiculously high level. The egg could even be the offspring of Toothless himself. All they have to do is introduce a single female nightfury, like a best friend from his past, and, wallah! Nightfurys are still extremely rare. If they are against adding another nightfury, then it could have been laid by a dead nightfury. Again, nightfurys are still extremely rare. Then, the quest would be very long, like you have to do a ton of other quests leading up to the finale. The final quest, where you use things gathered earlier to aid in marching through a cave of some sort which has some aura that makes your dragon unable to fly, only glide, and complete a ton of challenges to find the nightfury nest at the end with a single egg in it. You then take the egg out and to the hatchery, where you meet up with Hiccup and deliver the egg. You then receive a free viking slot with the option to hatch a nightfury. You then create a new viking and head to the hatchery, where Hiccup appears and says something along the lines of, "Hey! Your friend [insert original viking name here] found a nightfury egg while he was exploring [insert location here]! I was thinking of who to give it to, and you came to mind, so here you go! It's yours if you want it." You then proceed to hatch it and raise it, but you are unable to do the quest again. It is only available to each account a single time, so there isn't one guy that owns a million nightfurys, and it would be very hard to complete, even with a youtube walkthrough. Anyone else agree? |
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Not saying that couldn't work, but if you did have multiple dragons, then it would have to be a balancing act where if you used one dragon too much, the other one's happiness would drop, or else you'd have to do additional stuff to help them bond with each other.
